Wishful Thinking, The

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- Brian Allen (aka Brian Allender) -- drums, percussion


- Roger Charles -- vocals, bass (1965-69)

- Tony Collier -- bass (replaced Roger Charles) (1969-1)

- Roy Daniels (aka Roy Spreadborough) -- vocals (1965-66)

- Ray Davis -- bass (replaced Tony Collier) (1971-72)

- John Franklin -- lead guitar (1967-)

- Terry New -- lead guitar (1965-67)

- Peter Ridley -- drums (replaced Brian Allen) (1971-)

- Kevin Scott (aka Kevin Finn) -- vocals, drums (replaced 

  Roy Daniels) (1966-72)





- Brian Allender Band

- Roger Charles (solo efforts)

- The Emeralds

- Eve Graham and Danny Finn

- The Lively Set (Terry New)

- Marty, Paul and Denny

- Ken Scott and the Kinsmen

- Maniax (John Franklin)

- The New Seekers (Kevin Finn)

- Prima Donna (Kevin Finn)

- The Strangers (Tony Collier)

- Time (Ken Scott)

- Viva (Eve Graham and Danny Finn)





Genre: pop

Rating: 3 stars ***

Title:  The Wishful Thinking Live Vol. 1

Company: Decca

Catalog: SKL 4900
Year: 1967

Country/State: UK

Grade (cover/record): VG / VG

Comments: Belgian pressing; '39' in blue magic marker on back cover

Available: 1

GEMM catalog ID: 5417

Price: $80.00


I stumbled across a couple of on-line references that showed this mid-1960s quartet as being Belgian (including the person who sold me this album).  They were actually British, but apparently spent a substantial amount of their career working in the Benelux with might explain the mistake.   Drummer Brian Allen, bassist Roger Charles, singer Roy Daniels, and lead guitarist Richard Taylor started their partership working as The Emeralds.  Signed by the HMV label, the band debuted with the 1963 single 'The Kerry Dances' b/w 'Little White Lies' (HMV catalog number POP 1157).  In 1965 Taylor was replaced by former The Lively Set guitarist Terry New and was followed by a pair of singles for Decca:


- 1965's 'Don't Listen To Your Friends' b/w 'Say You're Mine' (Decca catalog number F 12096)

- 1965's 'King Lonely the Blue' b/w 'Someone Else's Fool' (Decca catlaog number F 12304)


1965 saw Daniels replaced by Kevin Scott and the following year lead guitarist New was replaced by John Franklin.  The revamped group apparently decided the time had come to update their name and image, dropping the 1950s-styled Emeralds for the more happenin' The Wishful Thinking.



Under the new moniker the band released as series of three singles for Decca:



- 1966's 'Turning Round' b/w 'V.I.P.' (Decca catalog number F 12348)

- 1966's 'Step By Step' b/w 'Looking Around' (Decca catalog number F 12499)

- 1967's 'Count To Ten' b/w 'Hang Around Girl' (Decca catalog number F 12598)

- 1967's 'Cherry Cherry' b/w 'Hang Around Girls' (Decca catalog F 12627)


Released by Decca, their 1967 album "The Wishful Thinking Live Vol 1" was produced by former Shadows drummer/A&R man Tony Meehan.  While the collection offered up no performance credits, it featured the Allen - Charles - Franklin - New - Scott lineup.  As the title indicated, this was a live set probably recorded in the Benelux where they seem to have set up shop (think along the lines of The Red Squares).  While there may have been considerable post-production work, the overall performances were surprisingly good, serving to showcase a number of their earlier singles and some new material.  For those interested in sound quality, technically the sound was a little flat with the band occasionally sounding like they were at the end of a long distances phone call.  With the exception of the summer of love threads on the cover, there wasn't anything remotely psychedelic here.   Musically the collection offered up a mixture of popular pop and soul hits with a couple of apparent originals thrown in.  Covers like The Beach Boys 'California Girls', The Four Tops' 'Reach Out (I'll Be There)', and The Left Banke's 'Walk Away Renee' were professional, but seldom strayed from the original arrangements making them of marginal interest.  In spite of the sappy between song patter, these guys certainly weren't bad, turning in some decent vocal harmonies and showing an ear for commercial arrangements on tracks like The Turtles 'Happy Together' and the original Is She a Woman Now'.  The exception to the rule was when they switched into their Four Seasons mode.  At least to my ears drummer Allen's shrill falsetto was a major source of irritation (check out 'Turn Around' and 'Hang Around Girls).  Certainly nothing spectacular, but not half bad !


"The Wishful Thinking Love: Vol 1" track listing:
(side 1)

1.) Step By Step   (Flett - Hill) - 

2.) Big Girls Don't Cry   (Bob Crewe - Bob Gaudio) - 

3.) Papa - Oom - Mow - Mow   (Frazier - White - Harris - Wilson Jr.) - 

4.) Turning Around    (Flett - Hill) - 

5.) Hang Around Girls

6.) California Girls   (Brian Wilson) - 

7.) Reach Out (I'll Be There)   (Brian Holland - Lamont Dozier - Eddie Holland) - 


(side 2)
1.) Walk Away Renee   (Brown - Galilli - Sansone) - 

2.) Happy Together   (Bonner - Gordon) - 

3.) Is She a Woman Now   (Roger Charles - Bailey) - 

4.) Que Sera   (Evans - Livingstone) - 

5.) Peanuts   (Roger Cook) - 

6.) The Exodus Song   (Cold - Boone) - 

7.) Cherry Cherry   (Neil Diamond) - 


Over the next three years with  a 1969 personnel change that saw bassist Charles replaced by Tony Collier, the band continued to record sporadic singles and tour.  They even opened for Pink Floyd at a 1970 Danish concert.



- 1967's 'Meet the Sun' b/w 'Easier Said Than Loving You' (Decca catalog number F 12673)

- 1968's 'It's So Easy' b/w 'I Want You' (Decca catalog number F 12760)

- 1968's 'Alone' b/w 'Vegetables' (Decca catalog number F 22742

- 'Without a Place To Go' b/w 'Waterfalls' (Metronome catalog number M 25 210)




Genre: pop

Rating: 3 stars ***

Title:  Hiroshima

Company: B&C

Catalog: CAS 1038

Country/State: UK

Grade (cover/record): VG / VG

Comments: --

Available: 1

GEMM catalog ID: 5

Price: $50.00




"Hiroshima" track listing:
(side 1)

1.) Hiroshima    (Dave Morgan) - 

2.) This Time Tomorrow    (Dave Morgan) - 

3.) She Belongs To The Night    (Dave Morgan) - 

4.) Mary Goodbye    (Dave Morgan) - 

5.) Ever Since I Can Remember    (Dave Morgan) - 

6.) We're Gonna Change All This   (Dave Morgan) - 


(side 2)
1.) Now   (Dave Morgan) - 

2.) United States Of Europe '79    (Dave Morgan) - 

3.) I Wrote A Song    (Dave Morgan) - 

4.) 1984    (Dave Morgan) - 

5.) Goodbye Lover   (Dave Morgan) - 

Sporting different cover art, the LP also saw a US release:


     Ampex A-10123


There were also a pair of non-LP 45s:


- 1971's 'Lu La Le Lu' b/w 'We're Gonna Change All This' (B&C catalog number CB 169)

- 1972's 'Clear White Light' b/w 'Hiroshima' (B&C catalog number CB 184)





Certainly a rare enough album, but anyone expecting to discover a neglected progressive gem is likely to be disappointed. Most of the eleven tracks are pretty conventional three-minute beat group fodder that could easily have originated back in Merseybeat days. Not what one would expect from the sleeve with its blood-red storm clouds. The title track is indeed about the city destroyed by the atomic bomb, but it sits oddly with much of the other material. Two slightly more interesting and futuristic tracks are The United States of Europe '79 and 1984, with interesting phasing effects. Every song on the album is written by a Dave Morgan, whose connection with the band is not apparent. On a frivolous note, it would have been interesting to witness a Big Hair contest between John Franklin and Brian May!

This is presumably the same band who issued an album (Live Volume One) and seven singles on Decca in 1967-68. Can anyone confirm and explain the long gap between releases?

Hiroshima entered the German charts 25th May 1978 and went to No. 8... Subsequently the band tried to re-form with John Redpath (New Seekers) on drums

Now this was the classic lineup which recorded the famous album "Hiroshima" in 1970 with producer Lou Reizner at Chappell Recording Studios, London. It was released in the UK in 1971 on B&C Records, the original distributor of "The Famous CHARISMA Label, in the US on AMPEX Records and in Germany on Global Records, which are still the copyright holders of most of WISHFUL THINKING's late songs.
Tony Collier did the lead vocals on "Hiroshima", "We're Gonna Change All This", "I Wrote A Song" and "Ever Since I Can Remember", Kevin Scott did the rest of the songs.
Besides the 11 songs from the album (all written by Dave Morgan, whose album "Morgan" was also produced by Reizner) they recorded some other songs: "Lu La Le Lu" by Klaus Voormann, "Clear White Light" by LINDISFARNE's Alan Hull and "Horizon" by Patrina Lordon which were all released on single later.
In 1971 AMPEX Records released a promo-45 with "United States Of Europe '79" in Stereo and Mono, as usual in the US; in Germany "Hiroshima" was released as a single, backed with "She Belongs To The Night" and became a minor hit there.
"We did have a monster hit with a song called Hiroshima in Germany. At the time, it was the second biggest seller ever over there. We did a short tour to promote the single which was terrific.... The tour, not the record!... In hindsight, we should have stayed over there for a long time, because the band was really popular, but because of bad management, we came back and didn't push the band." (Tony Collier, 2000)
In early 1972 B&C Records released the non-LP track "Lu La Le Lu" backed with "We're Gonna Change All This".
The second 45 released on B&C Records, "Clear White Light", has very much air play in the UK on Radio 1 but all of the fans couldn't buy the record because of a distribution problem with the record company and so the single didn't go into the charts. All of the big DJs said it would be number one! So it was very dissapointing for the band when the sales were low.



By late 1972 the band had effectively called it quits, though they made a posthumous appearance in the Ringo Starr film "That'll Be the Day" performing the song 'It'll Be Me'.  The track was included in the accompanying sountrack, though it was credited to 'Wishfull Thinking'.  


After leaving the band bassist Charles released a pair of solo singles. 

Finn changed his name to Danny Finn and with Marty Kristian and Paul Layton recorded a series of singles as a member of Marty, Paul and Danny.  He subsequently hooked up with a mid-1970s version of The New Seekers where he married group member Even Graham.  The two subsequently struck out on their own releasing some material as Eve Graham and Danny Finn.  IN 1980 Finn reappeared as a member of the group Prima Donna.


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Nearly at the same time, 1976, "Hiroshima" became a hit in Germany a second time!
ATLANTIC Records had rereleased the single in 1975. So WISHFUL THINKING reformed with John Franklin (then musical director of the NEW SEEKERS) , Tony Collier, Kevin Finn and John Redpath as their new drummer just to promote the rerelease.
But the German fans wanted more than just a rerelease!
In 1977 ATLANTIC Records released a second single with tunes from the old days: "Clear White Light/ Horizon". But "Clear White Light" didn't make the charts.
Then Peter Kirsten, head of GMG Records in Munich, produced a new single with them: "America/ You Lay Me Down". Lead vocals on "America" again Tony Collier, as on "Hiroshima". And it became a big hit in Germany even as "Hiroshima"!
"I think we should have stayed over in Germany for a few years while the band were popular, but it didn't happen." (Tony Collier, 2000)

In 1979 followed a second new 45, "State Fair Majorette" composed by the band itself, backed with never heard Dave Morgan-tune called "Crash At Honolulu".
GMG Records also released a new album, then simply called "Wishful Thinking" (later to be renamed "Hiroshima"), but it did not include only new recordings but many old songs from the original "Hiroshima"-album.
John Redpath then decided to quit the band and it appeared that it was finally the end of the road for Wishful Thinking

Wishful Thinking's enduring popularity in Germany persuaded Danny Finn, Tony Collier and John Franklin to re-form again in 1980.
They released what turned out to be their last single: "Tightrope Man/ (It's All About) Loving You" produced by Gavin Dare & Dave Howman, who also did the album of Kevin's wife Eve Graham "Woman Of The World". But then it was the final end for WISHFUL THINKING.

"WISHFUL THINKING had recorded an album for Decca back in 1967 but, despite the promising flower power trappings of the sleeve design, the set was merely a collection of so-so harmony beat/pop cover versions of material initially cut by the Four Seasons, the Beach Boys et al. Far more rewarding was a 1971 regrouping that led to a massive European hit with the haunting, Moody Blues/influenced 'Hiroshima', penned by former Uglys man (and writer of B-sides for the Move) Dave Morgan, with producer Lou Reizner delivering a dramatic recreation of the original 1945 radio broadcast. With the band lacking any kind of internal sonwriting ability, Morgan was also called upon to write the material for the Hiroshima album. In addition to the title song, we've selected '1984', in which the band attempted to come up with what they felt was a futuristic performance that matched the lyrical thrust. Fortunately for all of us, it was a case of reversing into tomorrow, and the track's reliance on studio trickery and psych-friendly instrumentation such as the Mellotron ensured that the song now sounds closer to 1968 than 1984



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