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line-up 1 (1969) - Lionel Grigson -- keyboards, backing vocals - J.W. Hodkinson (RIP 2013) -- lead vocals, percussion - Dick Morrissey (RIP) -- tenor sax, soprano sax, flute, background vocals - Dave Quincy -- tenor sax, alto sax, electric piano - Daryl Runswick -- bass - Terry Smith -- acoustic guitar, electric guitar - Spike Wells -- drums, percussion
line-up 2 (1969-72) NEW - Dennis Elliott -- drums, percussion (replaced Spike Wells) - J.W. Hodkinson (RIP 2013) -- lead vocals, percussion NEW - John Mealing -- piano, organ - Dick Morrissey (RIP) -- tenor sax, soprano sax, flute, background vocals - Dave Quincy tenor sax, alto sax, electric piano NEW - Jim Richardson -- bass (replaced Daryl Runswick) - Terry Smith -- acoustic guitar, electric guitar
line-up 3 (1972) NEW - Cliff Davies (RIP 2008) -- drums, percussion (replaced Dennis Elliott) - J.W. Hodkinson (RIP 2013) -- lead vocals, percussion - Dick Morrissey (RIP 2000) -- tenor sax, soprano sax, flute, background vocals - Terry Smith -- acoustic guitar, electric guitar - Dave Quincy tenor sax, alto sax, electric piano NEW - Dave Wintour (RIP 2022) -- bass, background vocals (replaced Jim Richardson)
line-up 4 (1973) - Cliff Davies (RIP 2008) -- drums, percussion NEW - David Greenslade -- keyboards (replaced John Mealing) - J.W. Hodkinson (RIP 2013) -- lead vocals, percussion - Dick Morrissey (RIP 2000) -- tenor sax, soprano sax, flute, background vocals - Terry Smith -- acoustic guitar, electric guitar - Dave Quincy tenor sax, alto sax, electric piano - Dave Wintour (RIP 2022) -- bass, background vocals
line-up 5 (1973-74) NEW - Pete Arnesen -- piano, synthesizers, backing vocals - Cliff Davies (RIP 2008) -- drums, percussion - Dick Morrissey (RIP 2000) -- tenor sax, soprano sax, flute, background vocals NEW - Kurt Palomacki -- bass, backing vocals (replaced David Wintour) NEW - Steve Rosenthal -- guitar, lead and backing vocals (replaced J.W. Hodkinson and Terry Smith) NEW - Fiachra (Fi) Trench -- piano, backing vocals
line-up 6 (1974-75) - Cliff Davies (RIP 2008) -- drums, percussion, synthesizers, vocals NEW- Gabriel Magno -- keyboards (replaced Pete Arnesen) and Fi Trench) - Dick Morrissey (RIP 2000) -- tenor sax, soprano sax, flute, background vocals NEW- Walt Monaghan -- vocals, bass (replaced Kurt Palomack) NEW - Geoff Whitehorn -- vocals, guitar (replaced Steve Rosenthal)
line-up 7 (2015-16) NEW - Rod Brown -- drums, percussion NEW - Dave Browne -- vocals NEW - Guy Gardner -- keyboards NEW - Dave Quincy -- sax NEW - Terry Smith -- guitar NEW - David "Ben" Taylor -- bass
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- The Mick Abrahams Band (Walt Monaghan) - The Amboy Dukes (Gabriel Magno) - Antolini Jazz Power (Dick Morrissey) - Pete Arnesen - Atlantic Bridge (Daryl Runswick) - Babylon (Dave Quincy) - Bad Company (Geoff Whitehorn) - Back Street Crawler (Geoff Whitehorn) - The Barnett Dogs (Dave Wintour) - The Beat Boys (J.W. Hodkinson) - Harry Beckett's Joy Unlimited (Daryl Runswick) - Blues Incorporated (Dick Morrissey) - Bo Street Runners (Dave Quincy) - Brass Tacks (Cliff Davies) - Buffalo (Steve Rosenthal) - The Mike Carr Quartet - Chameleon (Gabriel Magno) - Charley (Dick Morrissey) - Chicken Shack (Dave Wintour) - Clark Hutchinson (Walt Monaghan) - Colosseum (Dave Greenslade) - The
Mick Cox Band (Pete Arnesen) - Bird Curtis Quintet (Daryl Runswick) - Chaser (Pete Arnesen) - Daddy Longlegs (Pete Arnesen and Kurt Palomaki) - John Dankworth Paul Hart Octet (Daryl Runswick) - The John Dankworth Quartet (Daryl Runswick) - Electric Phoenix (Daryl Runswick) - Ensemble Úngút (Pete Arnesen) - Fantasy (Geoff Whitehorn) - Chuck Farley (Geoff Whitehorn) - Chris Farlowe & The Thunderbirds (Dave Greenslade) - The Ferris Wheel (Dennis Elliott) - Filthy McNasty (Geoff Whitehorn) - Freedom (Walt Monaghan) - Good
Times-All-Star-Band (Geoff Whitehorn) - John Gunn (J.W. Hodkinson) - Held By Trees (Ben Taylor) - Henri and his Hobo Amigos (Mike Tomich) - The Ian Henry Trio (Daryl Runswick) - Allan Holdsworth Quartet (Daryl Runswick) - The John Hooker Quartet (Spike Wells) - Tubby Hayes Quartet (Daryl Runswick) - John Dankworth Quartet (Daryl Runswick) - The Hollies (Pete Arnesen) - The Tony Hymas–Daryl Runswick Big Band (Daryl Runswick and Spike Wells) - Ivory Playground (Pete Arnesen) - J.J. Jackson's Dilemma (Dave Quincy and Dick Morrissey) - Kala (Pete Arnesen) - The Peter King Quartet (Spike Wells) - The Peter King Quintet (Spike Wells) - Ian Levine and Fiachra Trench (Fiachra Trench) - Henry Lowther Band (Daryl Runswick) - Magician (Fiachra Trench) - The Wes Minster
Five (Dave Greenslade) - The Dick Morrissey Quartet (Dick Morrissey) - The New Jazz Orchestra (Lionel Grigson) - The New Life Band (Dick Morrissey) - Jimmy Nicol & The Shubdubs (J.W. Hodkinson) - Ted Nugent Band (Cliff Davies) - Passport (John Mealing) - Daniele Patucchi Orchestra (Daryl Runswick) - Perfect Pitch (Dick Morrissey) - Pickettywitch (Mike Tomich) - Plain Sailing (Dave Wintour) - Jim Richardson's Pogo (Jim Richardson) - The Pretty Things (Dave Wintour) - Procol Harum (Geoff Whitehorn) - QOW Trio (Spike Wells) - Dave Quincy Quartet (Dave Quincy - The Riff Burglars (Geoff Whitehorn) - Joe Robinson Quartet (Spike Wells) - Spike Robinson Quartet (Spike Wells) - Ray Russell Sextet (Daryl Runswick) - Rock Workshop (Daryl Runswick) - Rocket 88 (Dick Morrissey) - Rogue (J.W. Hodkinson) - Rollercoaster (Dick Morrissey) - The Rubettes (Pete Arnesen) - Rust (Walt Monaghan) - Señor Funk (Daryl Runswick) - The Shortlist (Geoff Whitehorn) - lan Skidmore Trio (Spike Wells) - Terry Smith (solo efforts) - Pat Smythe Quartet (Daryl Runswick) - The Sovereigns (Mike Tomich) - Stealers Wheel (Dave Wintour) - Strawbs (John Mealing) - Tabu (Pete Arnesen) - Tagget (Pete Arnesen) - TXR (Gabriel Magno) - The Washington D.C.'s (Walt Monaghan) - Darryl Way's Wolf (J.W. Hodkinson) - Bobby Wellins Quartet (Spike Wells) - Bobby Wellins Sextet (Spike Wells) - Bobby Wellins / Kenny Wheeler Quintet (Spike Wells) - Mike Westbrook Orchestra (Fiachra Trench) - Kenny Wheeler Big Band (Spike Wells) - Geoff Whitehorn (solo efforts) - The Wuzels (Dave Wintour) - The Roy Young
Band (Cliff Davies)
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Genre: jazz-rock Rating: ** (2 stars) Title: Waterfall Company: Metromedia Catalog: KMD 1057 Year: 1972 Grade (cover/record): VG+/VG+ Comments: gimmick cover Available: 1 Catalog ID: Price: $30.00
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I'm always at a
loss to understand why the UK and US releases of albums frequently reflect
alternative track listings. Case in point, 1972's "Waterfall"
by the English jazz-rock combo If. With Lew Futterman and Fi Trench
splitting production duties, for all intents and purposes this US release
served as a repacking of the band's previously issued "If 4"
album. Whereas the band's first three album had all been released in
the States, for some reason the band's US label Capitol elected to pass on "If
4". Featuring six extended trac
By the way the censors apparently weren't paying too much attention to Frank Carson's cover art. Nah, that really wasn't a mountain waterfall scene ...
One thing I've always wondered about is whether some of the album was recorded live, or the "audience" sounds on tracks like "Waterfall" and "" were added in the studio.
Not exactly a massive US success, but the LP managed to breach the Billboard Pop Albums Chart, peaking at # 195.
"Waterfall" track listing: 1.) Waterfall (Brigitta Morrissey - Dick. Morrissey) - 5:38 rating: **** stars For a band known for their jazz-rock moves, the title track offered up a surprisingly melodic and attractive, almost pastoral ballad. Yeah, the middle section found the band diving into patented jazz territory with an extended Morrissey flute solo), but they never lost track of the underlying melody. An edited version of the track was released as a single:
- 1972's "Waterfall" b/w "The Light Still Shines" (Metromedia catalog number MMS 258)
2.) The Light Still Shines (Dave Quincy - Ted Humphrey) - 5:03 rating: **** stars If gets funky - well in a Blood, Sweat and Tears kind of way ... I'm not a big horn-rock aficionado and "The Light Still Shines" didn't convert me, though I have to admit liking J.W. Hodkinson's dry, crackling voice more than I do David Clayton-Thomas. The secret ingredient on this one was Dave Wintour's bass line. The song was also tapped as the "B" side on their "Waterfall" 45. 3.) Sector 17 (instrumental) (Dave Quincy) - 8:00 rating: ** stars Opening up with tinkling electric piano, fuzz bass and horns, the instrumental "Sector 17" was easily the album's most jazz-rock flavored tune. Starting out with Terry Smith's John McLaughlin-styled screaming lead guitar moves, everyone in the band got a shot at the solo spotlight on this extended jam. Can't say it did a great deal for me. At least for me it made for a long eight minutes. Not sure it made much difference, unless you where a big fan of Morrissey's sax solos, but the original "If 4" version of the song was two and a half minutes longer than this version.
(side 2) 1.)
Paint Your Pictures (Brigitta Morrissey - Dick. Morrissey) - 5:13
rating: **** stars 2.) Cast No Shadows (Cliff Davies) - 7:25 rating: *** stars Opening up with a sunny, bouncy flute powered melody, the jazzy "Cast No Shadows" again served as a nice showcase for J.W. Hodkinson's crisp, dry vocals. The song also underscored the man could belt it out when necessary. Unfortunately the song lost much of its appeal when the BS&T horn arrangements kicked in along with Morrissey's extended sax solo and Cliff Davies' extended drum solo (well, he wrote the song, so why not give himself a moment in the spotlight?). 3.) Throw Myself To The Wind (Brigitta Morrissey - Dick. Morrissey) - 4:40 rating: **** stars Opening up with some bluesy horn charts, once again Hodkinson's dry, raspy vocals gave "Throw Myself To The Wind" a nifty edge.
© Scott R. Blackerby August 2025
The last really good If album, after which Dick Morrissey went to the hospital for a surgery, more or less leading to the begginning of the end.This is actually a re-arranged version of ''If 4'' for the US market, carrying a different title as well.Jazz Rock meet sweet and vocal-based Psychedelic/Funk Rock with full on electric piano, electric guitar, sax and furious flute, driven by the nice solos on sax and guitars, the careful interplays and the well-crafted singing sections.Lots of good, melodious parts as well for a band, which was pretty talented in combining songwriting with incredible jazzy skills.The few next albums (until 1975) were much weaker with emphasis on Blues-, simplistic Rock- and Funk tunes without many progressive moments. More ? Published [Rating34300067] Jazzis May 06 20094.00 stars US release of the 4th album by the superb British Jazz-Rock ensemble If, partly parallel to the UK release called "If 4". This album includes some material released on that album and additional material recorded by the band after some personnel changes made just before the group disbanded. Leaving keyboardist John Mealing, bassist Jim Richardson and drummer Dennis Elliot, who were with the group from its inception, were replaced by bassist Dave Wintour and drummer Cliff Davies, turning If into a sextet. This new lineup lasted just for a few months, but recorded the alternative material for this US release. Even though some of the material present here is duplicated, it is of course worth having both "If 4" and this album, as every note ever recorded by this band is beyond precious. This is British Jazz-Rock at its best! Published [Rating22411335] REP 4998 CD (2003) souomaior Apr 22 20084.00 stars 8/10 A very good progressive rock record. I wonder why is it so unknown...
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Genre: rock Rating: ** (2 stars) Title: Tea-Break Over - Back On Your 'Heads! Company: Capital Catalog: ST 11244 Year: 1975 Grade (cover/record): G+/ VG Comments: cover has considerable wear but is intact; vinyl looks worn, but plays well Available: 1 Catalog ID: Price: $10.00
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By the time 1975's "Tea Break Is Over, Back On Your
Head" was released, sax player Dick Morrisey was the only original member left in the line up, making it clear the group was rapidly running out of creative steam. While the band's trademarked elaborate horn arrangements remained in place (check out the closing sax solo on
'Ballad of the Yessirrom Kid'), with sinmger/drummer Clive Davies responsible for the bulk of material,
selections such as 'Merlin the Magic Man', the title track and 'I Had a
Friend' found the band returning to a more mainstream and commercial sound. The results weren't bad, but precious little really stood out - the Spanish influenced
'Don Quixote's Masquerade' was probably the best of the lot. Curiously, the track listing reflected a Morrissey composition
'Song for Alison' that wasn't on the LP; the unlisted 'The Night Bird' was apparently substituted at the last moment. The set proved a commercial disappointment; their first release not to at least hit the top-200 charts. (Always loved the humorous Ken Cox/John Pasche cover art.) Shortly after the album was released the band broke up for good.
1.) Merlin the Magic Man (Clive Davies) - 5:06
(side 2) 1.) Tea Break Over - Back On Your 'Heads (Whitehorn - Clive Davies - Walt Monaghan) - 6:06
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ks,
four of the "Waterfall" songs had appeared on the
earlier UK release, though in an alternative
running order. Two tracks on the original UK release "You In Your
Small Corner" and "Svenska Soma" were replaced on the US
album by "Paint You Pictures" and "Cast No Shadows". The
"replacement" tracks featured a new rhythm section in the form of
drummer Cliff Davies (replacing Dennis Elliott) and bassist Dave
Wintour (replacing Jim Richardson). While you weren't going to mistake
these guys for a conventional rock band, the collection was interesting for
demonstrating they were more than a technically proficient jazz-rock fusion
outfit. For longtime fans, exemplified by the instrumental
"Sector
17" and "Cast
No Shadows" there
was plenty of jazz-rock scattered throughout the collection.
Elsewhere, while it wasn't necessarily a good thing, tracks like "The
Light Still Shines" and "Throw
Myself To The Wind" displayed
their growing interest in Blood, Sweat and Tears-styled horn-rock.
Personally I found the album's most interesting material to be their
occasional stabs at more conventional numbers like the title track (released
as a single) and the rocker "Paint Your Pictures". The
biggest surprise for me came in the form of former The Beat Boys lead singer
J.W. Hodkinson. Hodkinson's dry,
growl of a voice was an awesome fit on the album's more rock oriented
performances.
